As I sit here, I am decidedly undecided about whether to run New York. Which hasn’t stopped me from suggesting a RunnersRoundTable show on Reasons Not To Run A Marathon. It’ll be on May 19. Feel free to head into the chat room.
It’s a continuation of the debate I had on January 1, which in turn followed up on Flo’s similar thoughts. My premise is that the point is to race a marathon and that requires lots of work. (To get off of my high-horse for a moment, this is not to say I wouldn’t run NY if I don’t race it. I likely would. It is to say that it wouldn’t be the focus of my fall training.)
TK recently commented on a celebrity chef (I don’t know about the “hottie” part) doing the LA Marathon on eight day’s training. “Why he and everyone else is acting like it’s such a great and amazing thing is beyond me. What a terrible example he’s setting for people; folks who don’t know any better could get seriously injured! And, notice the braces he’s wearing on his knees, and his finishing time [5:19:03]. Pbblt.”
If there’s one point I want to get across on the RunnersRoundTable it’s the unhealthy obsession that I sense about the marathon (or, I imagine, the Ironman (as opposed to halfs and Olympic-distance) for triathletes).
Having recently run with Robert and with Herb, I have a suspicion that some of this is how we’re wired. They will go and go and go. Someone like me, or Flo, won’t. We dread, we bitch, we moan. We look forward to running becoming fun again after months of tired legs.
Ah. Decisions, decisions.
Edited to add: I wanted to respond to some of C’s points. Those who’ve been with me for a while will recall that the whole race vs. run thing arose when someone wondered whether his quality over quantity approach was the right one for running Boston and I made it clear that I thought not. Sure, one could do a marathon, and be heaped with praise for the effort, but to me that somewhat defeated the purpose. Although he took my comments badly, he eventually came somewhat around to recognizing — and this is hardly anything new — that one did in fact need a minimum amount of mileage to properly do a marathon.
As for me taking a spot, if someone wanted to race NY when I was just going to run it, I’d give her my number. But I can’t. If I don’t race-but-run, it’ll be because I paid my money and figure I might as well take advantage of it. Also, I don’t think someone who gets in on time takes a spot. When I worked with the marathon in the late 70s/early 80s, the capacity limit for the race was not the sub-3 crowd but the over-3:30 crowd. Capacity problems are reached when you have too many people in a single space at the same time, on the course and at the finish line. And I had to make the enter/don’t-enter call in March so if I did take a spot, it was back then.
As to the chef, yes he has, per the article run faster. TK’s point, and mine, is that it is promoted as eight-days-to-a-marathon. Note the comments to that article.
If there is anything I am trying to do with the RRT program it’s to assure people that they don’t have to run a marathon to be a run. Yeah, you have to do an Ironman to be an “Ironman.” If people want to do marathons and Ironmans, let them. That’s not my point. One thing I will bring up is that most of the faster club runners I know, particularly those who’ve been at it for a long time, may or may not do marathons regularly. Perhaps us old-timers have an advantage of coming into the sport when marathons were another race, a race that had to be respected, but not a race that had to be done.
Finally, I don’t think it fair to perpetuate the notion that I evaluate runners by speed. I realize it was all of two weeks (15 days actually) since I praised someone for running a 3:48 marathon, but it is something I’ve become aware of in the blogosphere.
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May 13, 2010 at 11:27 pm
cg9m
kinda didn’t want to comment, but this one also annoys me on some level. you’ve stated that you don’t think folks should “race” (whatever that means) a marathon if they can’t put in the time and effort (by your standards- which you apply differently to different people, i’ve noticed.) yet, you’re vacillating on both counts for ny, for which you have guaranteed entry- so, you’re taking a spot from someone who does have the drive and desire to ‘race their best’. that seems at odds w/the dogma you’ve been preaching. ie, “why ‘run’ it if you’re not gonna ‘race’ it?” and “[less serious- slower?- folks] shouldn’t take spots from ‘qualifiers'” (presumably, those that are ‘serious.’)
re the la chef- i read the article (and no, i’m not biased b/c he’s from la)…it’s quite human that you want to sympathize w/your friend’s point of view…but, as a lawyer, i’d have expected more objective commentary, as you typically offer on other posts you highlight on your site..there was *no mention* in the article of how many mpw this guy was running before he made the decision (8 days prior) to run the marathon. there was mention that he had a personal best of 45 min
faster than this event. so, he had previous experience with the distance, and perhaps that’s why he thought he could finish (he clearly wasn’t going for time, so there’s no need to disparage his effort.) as to the leg braces, i’ve worn them, as have many that i know who train a lot harder than i do. it means nothing other than he’s having some muscle issues (which may or may not be related to under-training). as far as the press irresponsibly sensationalizing his performance- that’s a totally different issue. they’re trying to sell news, and i’m sure it sounds more impressive than “x lady ran y mpw over 3 months for a 4h time.’
still, i think posting this article w/o objective analysis perpetrates the idea that “all slow people are half-assed slackers.” hence my previous comments re slower times not necessarily being related to effort or ability.
re the comparison of marathons vs ironmans…keep in mind that one third of an ironman is a marathon…and i’m sure those who train to ‘just finish’ an ironman are doing it to the best of their current ability (gotta start somewhere.)
and hey- after this one, do i get to be (dis)honorary troll?
May 14, 2010 at 11:22 am
runnermatt
Granted we don’t know the whole story because we are only presented with an article but one it’s face, I don’t think you will find very many people who think running a marathon without training for it is a good idea.
The only thing I got from the article is Ludo Lefebvre is a knucklehead
May 14, 2010 at 9:29 am
Robert James Reese
It’s great to hear that you might run NYCM even if you decide not to race it. I’m sure it’s tough for someone who’s raced their whole life, like you, to go out there and just run to have fun on race day. But, I think you’ll find that it can be pretty enjoyable. There’s definitely something to be said for training hard and racing your best marathon (and a growing part of me is wanting to do that, to train seriously for one or two marathons a year and see how fast I could get) but if you’re not there, that doesn’t mean that you can’t just run it anyway and enjoy the experience.
May 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Flo
I can’t imagine you just running the marathon without racing it. Seems to me having speed in your blood, which you most assuredly do, prohibits the “just running” part of a race.
As far as marathon training taking a lot of work, I’m not so sure that’s exactly it. It’s a different type of work, slower and longer, but doing your best for a goal Half and even less, should require just as much work. I am thrilled to be rid of the 20-mile training runs but my mileage is exactly the same (actually a bit more since my cycle hasn’t begun). But by portioning it out differently, the fun has returned in spades.
Anyway, I’m enjoying the vicarious pleasure of going along with you as you ultimately decide what your plan will be. Something about a truly thoughtful runner…it’s a wonderful thing.
May 14, 2010 at 7:26 pm
joegarland
I feared that I suggested that training for something shorter than a marathon was easy. Far from it. It may be shorter, but there’s more speedwork and, worse, many more interval sessions involved.
May 15, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Ewen
I’m looking forward to this particular RRT Joe. I’m not able to (capable of?) training to race a marathon right now, although I could probably do enough to finish (run) one. If you do run the NYCM, I don’t see how you’re taking a spot from another runner. And yes, I agree with you that training to race shorter distances is not easy. Just ask Kelly Holmes or Craig Mottram.