Yesterday I started the final club race of the year, the brain-cancer 5 miler. This was a replacement for the Joe Kleinerman 10K, but Kleinerman was relegated to a nothing race in January. Whatever.
It was a new course, counter-clockwise with a finish on the 72nd Street Transverse. The start is near Tavern on the Green (or what was Tavern on the Green). With a sore hamstring from the downhills in the Bronxvillle race I was concerned, although it had not troubled me at all after last Sunday’s run but it started up at about 1.5 miles, just after Cat Hill, and got progressively worse even as I slowed until I stopped as we headed south on the west side, necessitating a long, slow walk to get my bag and then a slow walk, albeit with Mark T for a while (he grabbed another PR), to the post-race brunch on 2nd and 84th. All pretty uneventful.
But I did notice that NYRR again screwed up on the cones and I came upon a simple way to explain what I’m talking about.
Think of a clock. You’re standing at “6″ and want to get to “12″. The fastest way is to simply head up, the shortest distance between two points, etc. That’s the “tangent”. But say the course is on the road and the road is the dial. Instead of the 100 meters it is 157 meters or so (that being (100/π)/2). But you have one cone. Where do you put it? You put it at “9″. I can run the tangent from 6 to 9 and then from 9 to 12, for about 141 meters (100² = 2(x²)). With three cones I got to 7:30, 9, and 10:30, although I haven’t figured (can’t figure?) how long that is). The more cones, the closer to 157.
The counter-turns in Central Park, by which I mean the turns that go against the main direction, e.g., a clockwise turn on a counterclockwise course, are not semi-circles. But the principal applies. And my complaints about, and to, NYRR is that the cones are put down haphazardly. And so it was yesterday. And so I sent another email yesterday, noting that the guy in charge of this made over $250,000 in 2009 yet cannot be bothered, or is not to be bothered by his underlings, to do anything about it.
It seems pretty basic. Consider, NYRR puts on, what, 35 or 40 races a year in Central Park. In every one of them the counter-turns are in play. (The places to put the cones are the same without regard to the race’s direction). Yesterday’s course was certified a few weeks back. It had to be measured taking account of the curvature. It strikes me that it would be simple enough to make small marks on the curb (if the Central Park Conservancy would allow it) of the point in the center of the center lane where a cones go. If you can’t make the mark, make a notation in the course set-up book. Have someone who understands this place the cones. Make the notation once and you’re done. It’s the same every year so doing it once is effectively doing it hundreds of time, i.e., at and for each race.
A small point to some, but it gets to the essence of putting on a race. Julie did a survey in Running Times a bit ago and the top things people want: accuracy and quality of the course. I’ve never understood how an organization that has an $11 million payroll and chiefly puts on cookie-cutter races — what the marginal cost of doing this coming week-end’s 15K over this past week-end’s 5 miler — in which there are basically just three core courses in Central Park (clockwise finishing at “Tavern”, counterclockwise finishing on 102nd, counterclockwise finishing on 72nd (the only exceptions I can think of being the Manhattan Half, which is counterclockwise but hits the 72nd Street finish from the east; the Corporate Challenge; the Marathon; and the Dash-to-the-Finish 5K)). By contrast, Steve Lastoe’s NYC Runs appears to have significant more things to do to put on and help put on races on one-off courses.
I really have no idea what those people on 89th Street do. If you listened to the New York Running Show last night, you’ll hear me speak of the virtues of NYRR’s races, as well as some of the negatives. But when I think of that organization and its inability/refusal to address the course issue I raise again and again puts me in mind of, “Other than that, how’d you like the show Mrs. Lincoln”.
One last thing. NYRR spent all sorts of money coming up with a re-branding campaign. It’s now a lifestyle thing or something. In recent years it has, however, alienated the local club runner. Not in how it puts on its races, where I think it does a good job of making the race-experience work for those folks and after I pointed this out to someone yesterday I was asked, “Do you work for Road Runners” and when I said “no” she said I’d have been well-paid if I did. I have had unsolicited opinions expressed by people in numerous clubs complaining about NYRR and about having been left behind by the new direction in which the organization is headed. It is not the inside-baseball stuff of which I’ve written. It is not, as I say, a practical criticism because these changes don’t particularly affect them. It’s that it’s no longer an organization that puts on races for the sake of putting on races, as it was in the days of yore up in the Bronx and when those guys for whom races are now named (all men) ran things. Someone called me “bitter” when I mentioned this on Facebook.
So it’s branding and the sense, if not the reality, that NYRR doesn’t care. And it is the reality that they hate you, they really hate you.

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December 6, 2011 at 5:03 am
Ewen
I think that got you off the NYRR Christmas card list.
The clock was a good explanation. One can never have enough cones! Unbelievable that the NYRR can stuff up something so obvious as an accurately marked course. Now I presume races in the park can’t use all of the road (edge to edge) due to other traffic? Bicycles? If not, there would be no need for cones – just run (and measure) the shortest possible tangents using all the road. If cones are needed then they have to be placed about every 10 metres on corners. That seems obvious.
December 6, 2011 at 5:04 am
Ewen
Less than 10 metres on tight corners!
December 6, 2011 at 7:51 am
Joe Garland
Because of other park users the whole roadway cannot be used. So it’s inside two lanes for two miles and then inside and half of the center lane (with a twist for the southern end where there are just two lanes.
December 6, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Norma
When I’ve acted as course marshal, I’ve been the one placing the cones. They are set out against the inside curb, then right before the race, we pulled them out to the outside of the second lane. So wherever the course marshal director puts volunteers will partially determine where cones get pulled out. In the past I’ve placed 3-4 cones per race.
December 6, 2011 at 3:25 pm
JoeGarland
Thank you, Norma, first for volunteering at races and second for providing me with some information about how NYRR does it. It follows that when whomever puts the cones to the curb should know where they are to go on the drive. Volunteers would simply have to place them perpendicular to that precise spot in the center of the center lane (or the outer part of the center lane in the first two miles of the race).
December 6, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Norma
You’re welcome. I walk my cones pretty much straight out from the curb, but I could be off a foot or two. I have no idea if other volunteers are doing the same. No one has ever said, “Hey these cones need to be precisely placed.” It appears they should. Your post was enlightening.
December 9, 2011 at 12:40 pm
AggravatedJoe
Joe, you seem so bitter about all things NYRR. You take issue with every event you participate in, and complain whenever they institute change. Obviously, you have a choice to run in their events, and you still seem to sign up for whatever reason (club points etc). I have been to several events, (including NYCRUNS, 13.1 and RockNRoll) and none compare to the quality of the experience and value of NYRR. Sorry you have your issues, but for gods sake, run elsewhere and stop complaining if you don’t like their direction. Personally, I love the new branding, Run For Life, makes total sense. And if you can, get your facts straight. Joe Kleinerman is a 10k in Jan, and Brain Cancer honored Fred Lebow- The race dates were swapped, but I take issue with you that the Joe K is a nothing event. There certainly are a few of the “old guard” who want to preserve the way things used to be, but just like rotary phones gave way to push buttons, its dying. You can choose -
December 9, 2011 at 12:51 pm
simplydbest
Well said aggravated! Thanks for pointing out how bitter he sounds
December 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm
JoeGarland
Regarding Joe K, my reference to it becoming a “nothing” race was intentional, and it means that it is a non-club race which means many of the club runners will not run it. The Joe K 10K was for many years a special race on the calendar as the final club race of the year. Now it’s not. I know that the brain-cancer angle has a connection with Fred Lebow and I know that the Joe K is timed to be near what would have been his 100th birthday. It is a relegation in my mind.
Regarding change and complaints about it, as I point out here and have pointed out elsewhere, including on the New York Running Show, in the end the issue is the quality of the races, and NYRR puts on quality races. That I complain about its inability to properly set up the course, as in this post, is, however, an important point about the organization. The notion that non-NYRR races are awful is belied by experience running races put on in numerous communities in Westchester. NYCRuns is trying to get information about other races and we speak about those and others on the New York Running Show. But insofar as a race is a disaster, as I understand the Rock ‘n’ Roll 10K was, I’ll be more than happy to point that out. Life’s too short and the opportunities too many to put up with poor race logistics.
As to my “tak[ing] issue with every event you participate in, and complain[ing] whenever they institute change”, I think for the most part the issues I have with the events are limited to the one I highlight in this post. And I don’t know that a “complain whenever they institute change”. When I do, folks are always free to tell me I’m wrong or a dinosaur.
December 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Steve Lastoe
I’ll be the first to tell you when NYCRUNS screws up. We’ve done it often – but we’re very little next to the others – that said I find myself asking “What would NYRR do?” at nearly every race we put on. They are the gold standard. That said they are not perfect and due to the fact that they dominate this market the way they do are subject to more rigorous review.
Maintaining the integrity of their courses should be a priority for any of the organizations listed above, including NYCRUNS. We still have a lot to learn to do this effectively and I can understand while it might not happen at any given race – the logistics are difficult to handle. That said, it sounds like NYRR can do a better job. I know NYCRUNS could.
December 10, 2011 at 12:12 am
Ewen
If they’ve got an 11 million payroll they *should* do a better job. Especially with the basics: accurately measured and set-up course, accurate time and results, sufficient course marshalls.
December 10, 2011 at 5:40 pm
JoeGarland
There’s a thread on the RunnersRoundTable group in anticipation of a show on race screw-ups. Here’s what I wrote:
“I know, I know, this’ll sound like yet another — I’ve lost count — reason New York is superior to, well, everywhere else but as with the others it is true. We’re spoiled here. NYRR puts on maybe 45 races a year and they are generally flawless, with the one major exception about which I’ve complained frequently on cone-placement for courses in Central Park. Of course given how many races NYRR does and how long it’s been doing them, one expects a quality experience and other than crowded conditions, for which NYRR can’t be blamed (except insofar as fields expand with the 9 + 1 automatic-entry-into-the-Marathon rule (that’s run 9 and volunteer at 1), they are good experiences. Indeed, it cut the field of the 2011 NYC Half-Marathon by 1500 over 2010 because the field was too large.
“On top of that, most of the municipalities in Westchester County, where I live (we’re just north of the Bronx) put on their 5Ks or 5-milers and such and having also been doing it for years and they tend to be well organized and fun, even if the accuracy of the advertised distances might be questioned. Similarly, many of the towns within NYC, i.e., the neighborhoods in the five boroughs, put on their own races that are good experiences.
“The problem is when organizations parachute into a town. It happened a bit ago in NYC when Competitor, trying to get a toe-hold in the NY-market, was left to put on a (very expensive) 10K in Prospect Park (which is about half the size of Central Park so that a 10K requires loops) and that was apparently a disaster, particularly for those used to NYRR events. They don’t seem to think things through.
“On the other hand, there’s no reason a first-time event can’t be well run (literally and figuratively). My friend Steve Lastoe established a company NYCRuns which puts on its own races and promotes others. It put on the first Brooklyn Marathon, also in Prospect Park and thus requiring many loops of a hilly (and certified) course. NYC Parks limited the size to 300 or so, but everyone I know who did it had a great time. I know Steve pondered every little logistical thing that could go wrong (like week-end service disruptions on the subway), losing a fair chunk of sleep in the process, and by race morning they had all been handled and the proof was in the runners’ experience. And Steve’ll be the first to tell you (he told me only yesterday) that there are always things to learn and improve upon and that he learns things from NYRR.
“So bad races are not inherent in first-efforts. They result from people not thinking things through. It would be easy to blame people who come to races for the “experience” but that’s no excuse because you know that people will come for the “experience” and you have to plan for it. You have to make sure, in Vegas, that the half-marathoners will not be in the way of the marathoners. You have to make sure, in D.C., that the 15K runners don’t get to the start by walking on the 5K course. You just have to think.”
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