Today was my attempt to have people come up from the City to enjoy the Rockies. But only a couple made the trip. Oh well.
It still was a beautiful fall day. A quick stop to pick up TK, and Steve at the Tarrytown Train Station. We drove the less than a mile to Sleepy Hollow High School. I was a bit nervous about sending TK out on her own for fear of her getting lost (Steve has been here before) even though I had come up with directions. But Paul and Sham arrived and I was saved since TK would be in good hands with Sham, who really knows the place, and a friend who came with her.
In the event, she had a great time under Sham’s stewardship, including running around Blue Hills At Stone Barns, even though she’s schlepped from Sunnyside, Queens to join us. I appreciated it.
Meanwhile, Herb joined us as well (Dave B couldn’t make it because of a late flight) so Paul, Herb, and I headed out down the street (since the OCA was, we thought, closed). Paul and Herb had done 20-milers yesterday — Herb is running Philly on Nov. 21 — and I had my measly 6 from yesterday afternoon. As I’ve said before, I seem to hurt more for running slower in groups than running alone, and this was a case in point. On the same stretches in which I had done 7 flats last week, I was feeling worse although I was going much more slowly. I don’t get it.
Still, it was a fine run of about 68 minutes, getting me up to 40 for the week (with one day off), so it’s a further sign of progress.
Four of us — Herb, Steve, TK, and I — followed up with breakfast at the Horseman’s Diner down the street, although things got a bit heated in a discussion about what changes NYRR should make to allow more local runners into the marathon.
It’s a beautiful place especially, but by no means solely, at this time of year. We saw loads of other folks, many presumably doing their final pre-NYC long run, and TK was impressed by how many we saw congregating in the parking lot. It’s a tough course, and as with the way she went it was largely uphill going out (and downhill coming back) (I post my Garmin’s elevation picture, which may exaggerate the steepness of the climbs but not their dominance, i.e., you can run them at a good rhythm but you feel them)) with Herb and Paul taking me up a long, gradual climb on the other side of Route 448 (which you cross by going under) that I’d only done once before.

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October 17, 2010 at 2:28 pm
steve
Joe.
This was a fantastic run. Thank you so much for organizing. We’re going to do this again in the spring and we’re going to get a bigger crowd. You have the right idea.
Steve
lol- a little heated
October 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Dave B
Joe,
Sorry I couldn’t make it. Late flight in from LAX, and I was a wreck this morning. Glad a few of you got out there, though. Great morning for a run today.
October 17, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Paul
Good job Joe. Great run.
October 17, 2010 at 7:56 pm
herb
no, i would say that elevation profile is about accurate. Certainly felt the way the picture depicts.
However, I hardly think the conversation was heated. Except for when the food and silverware were being thrown.
October 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm
TK
Firt, pleae excue ti comment becaue I pilled wine on my keyboard and a few of te key arent workin. I ope you can fiure it out and fill in te blank. Jut imaine I ave a peec impediment.
I loved my viit to te Rockie! It i very beautiful tere, and I didnt mind te ill (lope, incline) at all. And, I truly enjoyed our debate about te NYC maraton and ow we can et more local runner to participate witout avin to o trou tat ideou 9+1 ytem.
OK, ti i te funniet comment ever. Will retype once te keyboard drie out.
October 17, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Flo
What fun, a runnerly field trip! Sounds like it was a blast.
October 18, 2010 at 12:52 pm
stephanie
I didn’t make it because it was my birthday and had wine the night before and wasn’t running too well on Sunday. But amazing you did 20! Can I ask what hill that is you did..on what trail?
October 18, 2010 at 1:06 pm
joegarland
20? Nah, Paul and Herb did 20 on Saturday. We got a bit over 9 yesterday As to wine, we had someone who had a fair amount of wine Saturday too, and she was fine. I have done 20 there, and it was tough.
That hill (Map: We ran up to the east side of Swan Lake and then to its northeast side, up (indeed it’s up) Brook Trail and then took a left at the end and under 448 and just continued up and up. When we got to the top we turned, otherwise you end up far away and have to come up the other side. So we heading back in the general direction we had come, although on slightly different trails for the most part.
We only saw cows. Others saw sheep as well; they ran by Stone Barns.
October 20, 2010 at 8:55 pm
herb
Here’s the route we did if you wanted to see it.
The upper most right part of the route was the highest elevation.
October 18, 2010 at 4:47 pm
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October 19, 2010 at 12:47 am
Ewen
I’ll give you a hot tip Joe: Don’t put that elevation profile on the next “Run at the Rockies” invitation! I’m sort of glad I wasn’t able to make it now.
I’m curious about the argument. What does “o trou tat ideou 9+1 ytem” mean? I say let all the qualified locals in. Make foreigners and charity runners qualify too. That way you can ease the qualifying times a tad.
October 19, 2010 at 7:33 am
TK
…”without having to go through that hideous 9+1 system”…
(Had to order a new keyboard, by the way!)
October 19, 2010 at 9:43 am
joegarland
NYRR members get in automatically by running 9 races and volunteering in one during the prior year. NYRR gets loads of money this way, but the races get quite a bit more crowded as a result. (Members pay about $18 a race for early entry.)
There are those members, though, who just don’t like running that many NYRR races. Some wonder just how many loops of Central Park can one person handle.
On the other hand, out-of-towners (and esp. foreigners) bring lots of money to the City, so NYRR has a further interest in lessening the chances of locals getting in in the lottery. This was the major discussion we had at breakfast (and a blog post will come). TK said if Mary W gave her a call and asked what to do, NYRR should have a special lottery with much better odds for long-time NYRR members.
October 19, 2010 at 10:09 am
joegarland
Maybe we’ll get you up there come July.
October 20, 2010 at 12:59 am
Ewen
Yes, I’d like to run up there, especially if it’s as easy as taking the ’3′ (or something) on the Lexington Line (and now that cg9m has eased my fear of the gradients). We’ll be staying not far off Central Park so I’ll probably be checking out Cat Hill too.
October 19, 2010 at 1:55 am
cg9m
re ewen…it’s not much of an elevation profile, unless they did rockwood hall. jg will hate me (oh well, that’s a given) for saying this, but jm (of wtc) was doing repeats up those hills all winter last year, in addition to lr’s on sundays…i was trying to be ‘nice’ when i commended joe on his routing of poor jm in the louck mile event, but given the extent of their talent-appropriate training, i thought jg shoulda blown him away by at least 20s (if he’d trained to his level)…i have found joe’s comments and training to be quite hypocritical in the last year (avoided that term to date, as i’m not ‘mean-spirited’).
and well, jim mcveigh so happens to be a very nice guy…ran the last of my 600′s w/me, coaching me to ‘hold form’. no benefit for him!
October 19, 2010 at 9:30 am
joegarland
It wasn’t Rockwood Hall because that area was closed for the horses. The profile may make it more dramatic than it was, as a function of scale, but the import was that it is a long hill that tests and strengthens because it is not too steep, surely not so steep as the switchbacks at Rockwood Hall, which means you can maintain your form and stride but must really struggle to do so. In terms of a training benefit, this stretch would be hard to beat, plus the downhills are not so tough as to force lots of braking. I compared it to running up Mont Royal in Montreal in which you keep going up and up and get to the top and get to scream downhill.
As to Loucks, indeed my time was 21 seconds slower than it was in 2008, but with the intervening shattered elbow I haven’t run a decent race in the past two years, including this year’s Loucks Mile, in which I was also hampered by the complete absence of any speedwork, typified by the fact that the last speed workout I did beforehand was 100 meters, the distance I traveled before a bit of sciatica (thankfully long gone) forced a quick halt in the first part of an interval workout. It’s a sad tale laboriously chronicled on this site. Just be glad I’m no longer foisting training and comments on others forced to listen as I did in the SSRMC days.
October 19, 2010 at 4:04 am
Mark Thompson
Hi Joe:
I’m sorry I couldn’t make it. I ended up in Long Island with Cathy picking up some stuff for her mother who is in The Osborn recovering from a hip fracture. I did however got to do some nice trail running in East Hampton, a trail I first found out from looking at your trail website.
October 19, 2010 at 9:38 am
joegarland
If it’s the trail on WestchesterTrails, it’s a doozy. I think of myself as a skier on that trail, slaloming between trees. I always feel spent but elated when I run there.
Good luck with your mother-in-law.