There’s a local runner I know through his blog. He’s been pointing towards Boston, but confessed to being light in terms of mileage, pleading that he had other commitments and he was prone to injury if he upped it. He ran a 3:02 NY in 2008. He opened the floor to discussion about whether one could successfully run a marathon on 40 miles or so a week.
Not surprisingly, I chimed in, as did at least one other person, that that’s not enough to give one a shot at running well, by which I mean anything close to potential. While I’ve finished only two marathons, one thing I learned in 2006 was that I needed more mileage going in if I were to run well. (In a sense “well” is a relative term; I mean it in relation to one’s potential. After I ran NY 2006, I posted on LetsRun that I hadn’t put in that much mileage — I maxed at about 65 — and someone said that I’d never run really well on that kind of mileage and I came to agree with her. For comparison purposes using age-grading, my marathon time is over 2 points lower than my others.)
There’s nothing wrong if you can’t put in the mileage, and I’m not talking about crazy mileage but at least getting north of 60, about not running a marathon. I’ve only done two. There’s a whole other life in the HM and shorter world. Indeed, in the most recent “Competitors,” there was a discussion with a bunch of Olympic distance triathletes. One of the hosts noted that lots of triathletes get into a comfort zone of doing Ironmans and don’t like the tempoish effort required for a half-Ironman, let alone the gut-wrenching encountered in an Olympic distance, which is about a 1K swim, 40K ride, and 10K run. I’ll confess to not particularly enjoying 10Ks and shorter races because of that gut-wrench.
Anyway, there’s quite a bit to be said about not having to devote six months to train for a single race. On the other hand, there are those who opt not to look at marathons that way. A marathon is another adventure. There’s a group that celebrates serial-marathoners.
But that’s not my thing. As must be clear from my prior posts, I tend to take these things seriously in terms of performance in terms of potential. So when the runner I mentioned at the outset said he had a 60+ week, I said that if that’s representative, he wasn’t so soft. He posted that he ran an HM workout faster than he had done the Manhattan HM a couple of months before, and it seemed to me that he had a shot of doing fine at Boston.
Then he posted that he tweaked his hamstring doing speedwork and is now out for a bit. To me, this was the kiss of death. I said that he was already “soft” going into Boston and because you can’t mess with a hamstring, he should seriously consider a back-up race in May. But in the end, his mind should shift to running well in New York by using what work he’s done for Boston as a base for a solid training approach for NY. If he can’t do the work, however, he shouldn’t bother. What’s the point of running a 2:57, I put it, if you could run a 2:45? That’s my mindset at least.
My advice led one person to pose the title question, i.e., “What kind of runner would I be if I just gave up because of a minor setback?” Putting aside that this was not a “minor setback,” my answer would be a racer.
Edited to add: My “criticism” was responded to at the original source.

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March 22, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Cowboy Hazel
I suppose it all depends on what you want out of the marathon and what you want out of running in general. I run simply because I love running. I’ll never be in serious contention to win races, but I’m okay with that. I dfefinitely set goals for myself (I’d love to break the 3 hour mark this fall), but I’m not going to sacrifice everything else in my life to make that happen. I mean, really, what is the difference between running a 2:45 and a 2:57? I’m not going to win (or even come close) with either time. I’d rather run the 2:57 and still be able to enjoy my non-running life than making myself crazy trying to chase the smaller number.
Also, there’s the question of how much a body can take. Mine really starts fighting me whenever I try to go over 50 miles a week. My joints, muscles, everything get unbearably sore and I end up running slower as a result of the pain. Maybe some people just aren’t cut out for the super high mileage workouts…
March 22, 2009 at 6:19 pm
joegarland
I fear that when I write something like this I come off as an elitist, as in “you’re not a real runner unless . . .” It’s a big tent and different folks view things differently. I just feel compelled to say that if you want to be what I’ve taken to calling a “racer” (even if you’re just racing yourself) in the marathon, you need to do the work. Respect the distance. If you can’t do it, no reason you can’t do the shorter, less time-consuming, less injury-inducing stuff. Or just ratchet down.
To me, there’s a huge difference between 2:45 and 2:57, assuming I’m capable of the former. I wouldn’t see the point in running a 2:57. It was this type of conflict that led me to leave a prior club. There were those who felt I was pushing things in too-competitive a direction and they wanted to have runs and do the occasional race, and even marathon. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Just different.
March 22, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Cowboy Hazel
I don’t think your post made you sound elitist — You were just voicing your opinion and there are, as you say, many different perspectives on the sport. I suppose I’d consider myself a runner, rather than a racer, by your definition. I do respect the distance and would never go into a marathon without a significant amount of training leading up to it. But, I know that whenever I let time become more important to me than just enjoying myself, I lose the desire to run and it becomes another source of stress rather than a stress-reliever.
March 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm
herb
Effort and time towards running is a personal choice and there’s a lot of benefit to any decision. Running purely for pleasure, running to better oneself, and then there’s “doing everything necessary to be the best runner you possibly can be”. I’ve found it necessary to transcend between this spectrum at different times in my short (4yr?) running career for various reasons — motivation, injury, time constraints, life priorities, etc.
There’s a lot of gratification when being at one’s highest possible peak due to much hard work put in. Theres also a lot of satisfcation, and not such a different satisfaction in fact, to just simply being on the road because you want to and you dont feel good when sedentary. About running a marathon, or any race for that matter, personally there’s little desire for me when I’m not closer towards the extreme end of my spectrum. Thats just mho. I know there are lots of folks racing and not necessarily out there to get their best possible times. That, too, is a personal decision, but I just tend to identify with that less.
March 23, 2009 at 8:35 am
joegarland
herb, Since you are very much a “racer,” I find it interesting that you can ratchet it down along the spectrum. That may be the healthiest way to look at the whole thing. Scarsdale on Sunday?
CH, You of course are right; it’s all about doing something that you enjoy. But to get up before dawn to run 22 miles? With digestive issues along the way? You’re definitely not in it for some fleeting runner’s high.
March 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm
threlkeld
This is a test. I haven’t been able to leave comments on your blog, Joe, thought lord knows I’ve tried!
March 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm
threlkeld
Oh, of course it works this time. I just wanted to say thanks for the link on your “racer” post. The blog metamorphosized for practical and philosophical reasons: practical because “runslikeagirl.com” wasn’t available and philosophical because sometime during 2008 I realized that I’d become a dedicated marathon racer, no longer an unfocused runner, and I felt the new name/domain was fitting.
March 26, 2009 at 2:11 pm
joegarland
JT, just saw this; it was blocked as “spam.” Don’t know why.
March 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm
michjoy61
Hi,
I just find this all very interesting. I am no where in any of your league in how i run. I would be happy with a 4 hour marathon! :O)
Anyway, thanks for making me think a bit!!!
March 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm
joegarland
Thanks for that comment. As I’ve learned via the blogosphere and with members of the running community I know, there are people of all different levels of ability (in terms of speed) who share the passion for what I’m talking about. None of us is going to set the world on fire, but we’re all trying to find the line between happiness and misery when we look back at race results. In that sense we’re all in the same league, as we are in the same league as those guys in the front of the pack.
March 26, 2009 at 7:59 pm
joegarland
You reminded me of a note I received from my niece after she ran NYC in 2006. I posted it.
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March 31, 2009 at 9:24 am
Definitely Maybe
Great candid blog- however maybe the hamstring is not really an injury. sometimes runners use so called injuries as an excuse if the outcome does not go their way. In essence, it is just a defense mechanism to make sure if he/she does poorly on the next race, he/she can say: Yes i tweaked my hamstring. If he/she ran a race the next week while injured, then that is plain stupidity.
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